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Staging tank ... save energy cost ... preheat cold water

Staging tank
Staging tank solves problem with cold water

During winter, staging tank inside basement or crawlspace warms cold water using ground temperature see groundwater temp map

Buy scratch-n-dent 20-30 gallon water heater for staging tank. Do not connect electricity. Insulate pipes.

Net energy gain when staging tank heats from natural ground warmth or heat-pump exchanger or sun exposure


Copper tubing can also be used to make water resevoir. Copper lasts longer than steel tank <> 320 feet of 3/4" tube = 20 gallon

Summer: Staging tank or copper tube located in sunny location gives net energy benefit in summer 
Staging tank

Staging tank for tankless water heater

Many tankless heaters are underpowered so they meet customer price objective.

Winter time, customer discovers tankless can not heat water fast enough.

Staging tank can solve problem.

Problem with tankless heater
1. Contact manufacturer's web site
2. Post problem on plumbing forum:
Tankless turns-on after toilet is flushed
Difficult to diagnose noise in tankless
1-year-old tankless is blowing breaker
Compare tank vs tankless parts
Undersized gas meter causes problems
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flue pipe heat exchanger

Flue Pipe Heat Exchanger

Roll flexible copper around solid PVC pipe to make heat exchanger. 

Flue pipe gets hot each time gas water heater turns-on.

Check Local Codes may prohibit heat-exchanger on flue pipe
<> cold water in copper tubing could reduce flue gas temperature to point where flue gases may not properly draft up chimney read
<> do not obstruct air draft opening on top of tank
<> flue pipe must maintain upward tip so gas draws through pipe = minimum 1/4" per foot
<> insulation near flue pipe is fire hazard
<> if flue pipe comes apart see, extreme danger of  CO carbon-monoxide poisoning read wiki

<> rusted flue pipe may not be venting properly > check for obstructions in pipe > check flue cap on roof > raise angle of pipe and reduce number of elbows
heat exchanger heat exchanger
Make heat exchanger using lathe or manually wrap copper around PVC pipe
heat exchanger
Bock heat exchange water heater see larger
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State high efficiency gas
Heat Exchanger inside water heater

Bock heat exchanger connects with exterior pipes. Customer can use 2 ways. Remove heat from tank for hydronic baseboard heat read1 -or- input heat from external source to increase temperature of water inside tank read2 read3

State high efficiency gas water heater recycles hot gas from combustion chamber. Unit is highly efficient at delivering max hot water to high consumption households

Options vary with no guarantee of net energy gain.

See new water heating ideas 2010

Related links

http://www.whrc.org/building/conservation2.htm

http://www.energysavers.gov/your_home/water_heating/index.cfm/mytopic=12840

http://www.aecinfo.com/1/resourcefile/00/23/80/brad03.htm

http://www.radiantcompany.com/system/closed.shtml

http://homerepair.about.com/od/heatingcoolingrepair/ss/heating_types_4.htm

http://www.aimradiantheating.com/store/Slimline-Baseboard.html

http://www.radiant.co.nz/baseboard.htm

http://www.builditsolar.com/Projects/WaterHeating/water_heating.htm
heat pump water heater

Other sites using coiled copper

http://www.engineeringtoolbox.com/copper-tubes-heat-capacity-d_476.html

http://webpages.charter.net/rcalley/html/kegs.htm

http://www.neon-john.com/Induction/heater.htm

http://www.coppertubecoils.com/ctcg/tube-coils/copper-tube-coils.html

Rotating dipole

http://www.earthtech.org/experiments/purify/report.html

http://www.gare.co.uk/amplifier/dxpedition_amplifier_rf_deck.htm

http://www.insectscience.org/7.41/ref/fig3.html

http://home.comcast.net/~wa9wfa/vintage_1920.htm

http://www.sky-chaser.com/tcpart6.htm

http://www.instructables.com/id/Homemade-Spot-Welder/

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