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Which is best heat pump water
heater? Answer: AO Smith/ State/ American/ Lochinvar Using DOE test
procedure from 2012: a Heat pump: uses 1830 Kwh per year/
Ordinary electric: 4879
Kwh per year. There is no guarantee that consumer will experience same energy savings.
Reducing consumption and using heat pump might be best solution. Options instead of
buying heat pump
1) Two water heaters 2) Commercial grade 80-100 electric heaters/ p21 |
Buy: Knipex channel locks Irwin pliers |
Buy: Impact wrench at Amazon Resources: Replace anode rod How to remove short water heater nipple |
Pressure gauge/ attach to water heater drain valve Pressure over 80 psi can damage water heater and household plumbing Buy: Water pressure gauge Temperature-pressure gauge Resources: Identify water heater valves Troubleshoot water pressure |
Inspect anode each 2-5 years Anode rod prevents tank from rusting Buy: Anode rods at Amazon Resources: Replace anode rod How to maintain water heater |
Larger image Is it a Heat pump or Hybrid water heater? All models have back up elements so they are both Heat Pump and Hybrid Heat pump means the unit uses 240 volt, 2.5 amp, 600 watt per hour refrigeration cycle to heat water .... using a compressor and evaporator to pull heat out of surrounding air and circulate hot refrigerant through a (non-replaceable) condenser coil that surrounds lower part of steel tank. Hybrid means a mixture of energy sources for heating water ...it means using the heat pump compressor to draw heat from ambient room temperature and transfer to water ... and using 240 volt, 6.25-19 amp, 1500-4500 watt per hour heat elements for back up heating when the heat pump cannot keep up. +When elements are being used, then heat pump has same efficiency as ordinary electric water heater... and both elements are never ON at same time. Either the upper element is ON or lower element is ON or both are OFF ++Using 600 watt heat pump mode instead of 1500-4500 watt elements is the basis of saving energy vs ordinary electric water heater. +++Because Heat pump mode uses ambient room temperature to heat water, then it means that a heat pump is actually using heat from HVAC system to heat water, while blowing cold air into room. Design differences: There is a second design for adding compressor heat to water: A pump located at top of tank circulates water up from the tank into a heat exchanger located next to the compressor, and then circulate heated water back into tank in a continuous loop. This design is used by Vaughn. See image Both designs isolate refrigerant from potable (drinkable) water. Resources: How the heat pump works .pdf Another image |
Who
sells Heat
Pumps?....
The GE heat pump was sold to Bradford White ... Bosch, HTP, Midea, AirGenerate etc no longer make heat pump water heaters. Nibe in Sweden makes a heat pump/ not included in review. Spec sheet Nyle makes large commercial heat pump Source Lync makes Aegis commercial CO2 heat pump Source AO Smith has a commercial HPWH or Heat Pump water heater Source For the Amercan residential
market, there are
5
companies to choose from.
AO Smith offers a selection that are also sold by American, State, Lochinvar etc AO Smith heat pump manuals Bradford White offers the improved GE model. Bradford heat pump manuals Steible Etron offers their international model. Stieble heat pump manuals Vaughn offers a hydrastone-lined model that is also sold at Hubble. Vaughn and Hubble heat pump manuals Rheem offers a selection that includes Premium and Builder grade heaters Rheem heat pump manuals I suggest
buying 80 gallon size vs 50 gal
-All brands of heat pump water heaters are good. -All brands use same technology, and get same result. -All brands require adequate incoming and outgoing air space, approx 700 sq feet.. -Reheating water inside heat pump can be slower than ordinary electric heater. |
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Heat Pumps are big Suggest buying 80 gallon size vs 50 gal All brands are expensive, large and heavy when they arrive, and heavier when filled with water. Past or present, the 80 gallon heater is a big water heater. The height of 80 gallon heat pump is around 5'10" to 6'2" tall, which means most folks need a step-up ladder to perform required bi-yearly cleaning of air filter that is located on top of heater. The anode is located under the 27" x 24" hood. The hood needs to be removed or partially removed to access anode(s) for inspection once every 3 years. Anode prevents tank from rusting, so this maintenance is critical for longevity of investment, particularly in homes with water softener which will deplete anode. Exception: AO Smith offers the 80 gallon tall unit with air filter located on front, that also comes with a power anode rod requiring no inspection or replacement. |
Energy
standard, maintenance, options. I suggest
buying 80 gallon size vs 50 gal. April 2015 DOE energy standard mandates Heat Pumps for any electric water heater over 55 gallon. Home with 6 people or oversized bathtub typically requires first hour delivery 80 gallons (the amount of usable hot from one continuous draw). The 80 gallon Heat Pump can supply 80 gal first hour according to spec sheets, but might fall short if incoming water temps are too cold in winter. Installing two ordinary 40 or 50 gallon heaters can likewise supply 80 gal first hour without the ongoing regular maintenance required of Heat Pumps that include cleaning air filter each 6 months, cleaning the evaporator coil periodically, and maintaining condensate tray and drain tube to ensure no blockage. Resources: Two water heaters Large size commercial electric heater vs heat pump |
Chart 1: Compare 80 gallon heat pump features | |||||||||||||
Model | Gallon rating of tank |
Warranty: Tank and parts. Labor 1 year all models |
First hour delivery | Temp set range |
Anode... Rod type |
Volt
and amp rating. |
Elements... can be replaced with any wattage | Optional 8" Duct kit Raises cost of buying |
Water
con- nections |
Digital
interface... Install whole house surge protector in main panel to protect electronics |
Air temp range for Heat pump operation | Noise level when new |
|
AO Smith HPTU |
82 | 1
year labor, 10 year Tank and parts |
84
gal From 1 continuous draw |
95- 140° |
2
Stainless anodes 2 gives longer life |
208- 240 30 amp 60 Hz |
Two
4500 watt Generic |
Yes expel and intake Read |
3/4"
IP side |
Pro- grammable up to 99 days. |
Mode/ Diag- nostics |
45– 120°F |
N/A |
AO Smith FTPU |
80 | 1 year labor, 6-year Tank and parts |
84 gal | 95- 140° |
2 Stainless anodes |
208- 240 30 amp 60 Hz |
Two 4500 watt Generic |
Yes expel and intake |
3/4"
IP side |
Pro- grammable up to 99 days. |
Mode/ Diag- nostics |
45– 120°F |
N/A |
AO Smith HHPT tall replaces PHPT |
77 | 6
year Tank and parts |
73 gal | 95- 150° |
Powered anode ... is best type |
240 30 amp |
4500
& 2000 watt Generic |
Yes Read |
3/4"
IP side IP is pipe thread |
Displays current status | Mode/ Diag- nostics |
45– 109°F |
N/A |
Stieble 300E 75x27 |
79.8 | 1 year labor, 10 year tank and parts | 74 gal | 95- 149° |
N/A Anode Image |
220- 240 15 amp 50-60 Hz |
1500
watt Generic |
Yes | 1"
IP side |
Displays current status | Mode/ Error Messages |
42–108°F | 52
DBA |
Bradford RE2H80 T10 |
80 |
1
year labor, 10 year Tank and parts Read |
87
gal w elements |
N/A | Mag- nesium Shorter life less odor Read |
208- 240 30 amp 60 Hz |
4000
& 4500 Generic |
Yes 100'\ expel and intake Read |
3/4"
Top con- nection |
Displays current status | Mode/ Error Messages |
35- 120°F best for zone 3 cold regions |
55 DBA |
Bradford RE2H80 T6 |
80 | 1 year labor, 6 year Tank and parts |
87 gal w elements | N/A | Mag- nesium |
208- 240 30 amp 60 Hz |
4000 & 4500 Generic |
Yes | 3/4"
Top con- nection |
Displays current status | Mode/ Error Messages |
35- 120°F |
55 DBA |
Rheem Prestige |
72 | 1
year labor, 10 year Tank and parts |
89
gal w 30A elements |
Max 140° |
Resistor anode unproven to add benefit |
30A 15A |
5000
or 2250 |
Yes expel and intake Read |
3/4"
IP side |
Displays
current status optional wifi water sensor |
Mode/ Error Messages |
37- 145°F |
49 DBA |
Rheem Platinum |
72 | 1 year labor, 10 year Tank and parts |
89 gal w 30A elements |
Max 140° |
Resistor anode How to replace anode |
30A 15A |
5000 or 2250 |
Yes expel and intake |
3/4"
IP side |
Displays current status optional wifi water sensor |
Mode/ Error Messages |
37- 145°F |
49 DBA |
Rheem Builder |
72 | 1 year labor, 10 year Tank and parts |
89 gal w 30A elements |
Max 140° |
1 Anode NA | 30A | N/A | Yes expel and intake |
3/4"
IP side |
Displays current status optional wifi water sensor |
Mode/ Error Messages |
37- 145°F |
53 DBA |
Vaughn Hubble | 80 | No labor 10 year tank, 5 year parts |
80 gal | N/A | Hydra- stone liner, No anode needed |
208 -240 volt |
Two 3800 watt | N/A | 3/4" IP side | Displays current status | Error Messages | No less than 40° | N/A |
Chart 2: 80 gallon Installation/ maintenance | |||||||||
Brand | Minimum Room size without duct kit or louvered intake | Min intake space for air filter | Min repair space away from wall | Min exhaust space in front | Floor drain required for condensate and TP valve | Clean-wash
Air intake filter each 6 months |
Evaporator coil needs cleaning yearly | Maintenance cleaning steps show in manual | Service manual |
AO
Smith brands |
700 ft³ 10´ x 10´ x 7´ |
Intake
and
Air filter on top. HTTP tall has filter on side. |
6"
from all sides |
3
feet min 6 feet best |
Yes | Yes Can vacuum in place or remove to wash |
Yes, if air filter not cleaned | Yes 6 pages Read |
Yes Read |
Stieble Eltron |
800 ft³ 10´ x 10´ x 8´ See room dimensions |
15-3/4"
Intake and air filter on side |
8" |
6 feet | Yes | Filter
not shown or
mentioned in manuals. |
Yes | Yes 3 pages Read |
No |
Bradford White |
700 ft³ 10´ x 10´ x 7´ see dimensions |
8" Intake and Air filter on top | 7" See image |
7" ... "Free and clear" is best | Yes | Yes 8" headroom |
Yes, if air filter not cleaned | Yes 2 pages Read |
Service brief Read |
Rheem Ruud |
700 ft³ 10´ x 10´ x 7´ Read |
6" Intake and Air filter on top | 6" |
NA |
Yes | Yes 6" headroom | Yes, if air filter not cleaned | No 1 paragraph Read |
Yes Read Read Read |
Vaughn Hubble | 700 ft³ | 6" Intake on side, filter(s) unknown | 6" See image |
Yes | Unknown | Yes, if air filter not cleaned | 1 page says clean filter Read | Yes Read |
Compare Brands |
AO Smith brands AO Smith, American, State, Lochinvar models/ 50-66-80 gallon How is it different? HPTU and FTPU have easiest air filter to clean ... air filter is directly on top of unit and can be cleaned with vacuum, or replaced as needed. The taller HHPT is available in 80 gallon only and has intake and filter located on side. AO Smith has service manuals for all models. AO Smith brands come with instruction manual that shows required maintenance and parts diagram. Parts, such as air filter etc, can be ordered directly from company. The combination of service manuals and maintenance instructions and parts diagram means the heat pump can stay at peak efficiency while reducing cost of possible repairs and need for hiring service technician ... this improves bottom line savings. The taller HHPT-80 tall model has powered anode rod which never needs replacement, and prevents odor ... power anode is best overall for protecting tank from rusting, and best for rural installations with odor problem caused by harmless bacteria reacting with regular anodes. The HPTU and FTPU 66 and 80 gallon units have 2 standard aluminum hex-head anode rods ... which can improve protection of steel tank and prevent rusting. The 50 gallon has a single aluminum anode. AO Smith manuals show anode location and replacement. Service manuals affect my recommendation ***Service manuals are available for AO Smith, American, State, Lochinvar models (all the same brand except sold through different company). Useful manuals are why I recommend the AO Smith models. Service information empowers folks to learn and work on DIY solutions that give lifelong benefit ... plus the advantage of saving money. Service manuals -AO Smith 10-year warranty Service manual for 50-66-80 gallon models -Lochinvar 10 year warranty heat-pump Service Handbook for 50-66-80 gallon models/ pdf -80 gallon 6-year heat pump service manual All AO Smith heat pump manuals AO Smith heat pump manuals Service manuals at AO Smith |
Bradford
White AeroTherm Larger image How is it different? This is the (tried and true) GE heat pump with similarities to the most recent model made by GE ... similarities like air intake located on top and magnesium anode rod ... and same parts sheet ... but with updates, for example updated electronics, color and appearance of shell, additional access panel for temperature sensor port, improved user interface and new error-fault codes, plus 8" duct option for both incoming and outgoing air. There may be other differences not listed. Resource: Review GE heat pump Old GE manuals Bradford White manuals AeroTherm has a duct kit for both incoming and outgoing air supply used when installation is in an enclosed space.... if ducting is installed from outdoors to outdoors, it allows heat pump to operate separate from HVAC, which means reduced operating cost. Disadvantage: If incoming duct is installed, it must be removed to clean air filter. AeroTherm is the only heat pump with top water connections instead of side connections. Has lightest weight vs other brands. Has lowest temperature rating for heat pump operation ... 35-120°F ... which is best for cold regions (zone 3). There is a good service brief that helps diagnose repair problems, saving money overall. Magnesium anode (also found on earlier GE heat pumps) is less reactive than typical aluminum-zinc anode rod, and good for rural water types that have odor problem caused by harmless bacteria reacting with aluminum anodes. Magnesium eliminates possible but unlikely health concerns over aluminum anode ... footnote: magnesium can be used to replace any aluminum anode on any heater Resource: Replacing anode rods Magnesium anodes generally do not last as long as aluminum anodes, and might require inspection/ replacement more frequently, but Bradford has a good service instruction manual for replacing anode. The anode protects tank from rusting. Bradford shows aspec sheet for a different, 6-year warranty 230 volt 50 Hz heat pump on their site used for Britain, possibly Australia, France, India etc and other countries with 230V 50Hz power supply, but there is no further information. Spec sheet for Bradford international heat pump 50 Hz appliances will not work with 60 Hz power supply in Americas. And 60 Hz will not work with 50 Hz countries in rest of world. Bradford White has a good service brief and parts sheet for the AeroTherm, making my recommendation higher than Rheem and Stiebel. Resources Bradford service brief GE service manual 2012 Bradford heat pump manuals Bradford White anode rod replacement Heat pump parts from sears Bradford White manuals |
Stieble heat
pump illustration: No service manual for Steible. How is it different? The Steible heat pump is rated 50-60 Hz for worldwide electric grid, while other brands are 60 HZ and made for electric grid in Americas. The Stieble Accelera heat pump has air intake located on side ... while other brands have air intake on top Stieble claims to have a 'pure Heat Pump' because they have only 1 'booster' element rated for 1500 watts ... thus reducing overall hybrid function that heats water with element. All other brands have 2 elements with higher wattage, although they can be replaced with lower wattage for slower heating. The single booster element design might give Stieble an advantage in the race for overall energy saving, but also means you will run out of hot ... and tank will not re-heat water very fast. However, the objective of heat pump technology is to reduce element usage ... so there you are. Stieble does not show or mention air filter or cleaning air filter in their manuals .... and says "Maintaining the full output of the water heater at all times requires an occasional professional cleaning of the evaporator." The filter protects efficiency by keeping the evaporator clean, so if unit has no filter, then my recommendation is don't buy the heater. This is example why service manuals are important ... because they clarify what you are buying, and what is needed to fix and maintain the purchase. Resource Stieble heat pump manuals Location of anode rod |
Rheem:Why
no maintenance instructions or parts sheets? This is why I am reluctant to recommend Rheem and Ruud brands, otherwise Rheem water heaters are reliable products that perform as expected. Rheem has a troubleshoot manual: Service manual How is it different? The product is pretty. The only heat pump company to follow you around on the internet with advertisements after vising their site, which increases overall cost of product and is pretty annoying. Has a well-explained duct installation system ... for sale at Rheem but at a cost not included in energy calculation Read ducting info ... the duct can be installed on both incoming and outgoing air supply for installations made in enclosed space.... if ducting is installed from outdoors to outdoors, it allows heat pump to operate separate from HVAC, and saves energy costs. Advantage: the air filter can be cleaned without removing incoming duct. Rheem has the lowest reported noise level, and the 2nd best temperature range for heat pump operation ... 37-145°F ... 37° is good for cold regions (zone 3) ... and 145° is best for attics and very hot regions ... but since high heat adversely affects all things electrical, the electronics working correctly under 145°F temperatures seems unlikely, unless there is a cooling cycle built into the circuitry. Note: if it's 145° in the attic, that's hotter than most water heater thermostat settings and no energy would be needed to heat water. Wifi app is available to monitor your heater while Rheem peers over your shoulder ... the app is the only free thing offered from Rheem ... meaning the app is designed to squeeze more profit by stealing and selling your information which is pretty rude ... possibly selling error messages to local service providers who can send maintence and repair offers. Maybe, looking forward, your Rheem heat pump can play advertising like a gas pump. Rheem does post a service manual ... but there are no maintenance steps in the manual .... and no parts sheet except a few external parts ... which is pretty inconvenient. Instead, the Rheem manual says: "Should you have any questions about your heat pump, or if it requires adjustment, repair, or routine maintenance, it is suggested that you first contact your installer, plumbing contractor or previously agreed upon service agency," which is pretty expensive. So Rheem offers a free app to wring more profit, instead of providing basic money-saving maintenance and repair information ... and wants you to sign up with a service provider ... as if the public should remain powerless, uninformed and dependent on paying someone else for basic work they can learn. Page 5 of rheem manual shows the clearances as 0" on sides and back and 6" on top. While 0" on back and sides of heater is technically correct for operation, the other heat pump brands recommend more clearance (6-7") on back and sides to facilitate maintenance and repair... Remember, any repair requires the technician to 'get under the hood' and have access to parts.... if the technician has to wrestle the heater out away from wall, then the repair bill will be higher. Resources Why I do not recommend rheem water heaters Rheem heat pump manuals Rheem-heat-pump-manual.pdf |
Vaughn
Heat pump and Hubble Heat
pump Overall, this water heater poses more questions than answers. Apparently manufactured by Vaughn, and also sold by Hubble. Vaughn doesn't post a manual online that can be located 2020. Hubbles does post a manual. There is no service manual. The parts sheet is lacking, and shows elements, TP valve and high limit ... but no other parts. Maintenance section in manual covers only the air filter with no diagram showing how to access filter, and 2 pages with troubleshoot that boils down to call a serviceman ... and if all else fails, call Vaughn with no clear information. Hubble lists a phone number and technical help department. The lack of clear resources is not same as Rheem heat pump, where the resources are just hidden from customer. Instead the Vaughn heat pump indicate this is a bare bones heat pump water heater ... which makes my recommendation a 'buy at your risk.' That is too bad, because the hydrastone liner should be an attractive offer for people experiencing odor problems caused by anode. Hubble and Vaughn heat pumps do not need anode rod due to the hydrastone lining (covering all interior surfaces tank) that "absorbs and traps water, which then loses its oxygen and becomes inert, thus preventing tank corrosion.' Hydrastone lining is "a seamless 1/2" thick cement lining that is impervious to adverse water conditions and is proven the most effective method of preventing tank failure due to corrosion." While this seems positive vs the other brands, the tank only has a 10 year warranty, same as other brands. And, despite the hydrastone liner, the heater cannot be exposed to hard water, or it will clog the circulating tubes that carry water up to heat exchanger at top of tank, then back down. According to general internet resources, Hydrastone or 'Alkrete tank lining material, was developed in 1962.' Read .pdf A variety of service companies coat steel water tanks with hydrastone, but according to Vaughn spec sheet, they are the company that manufactures hydrastone-lined water heaters, including the Vaughn heat pump .. which would also include the Hubble heat pump. Other brands of heat pump have ordinary 'glass lining,' developed in the 1950's, that consists of a thin transparent enamal coating over most metal surfaces, but possibly not including the openings for element, TP valve etc. All other brands of heat pump require anode rod. Dropping any water heater will cause damage to parts, and likely crack the glass or hydrastone liner. Vaughn and Hubble heat pumps have 3" polyurethane insulation ... and when combined with 1/2" hydrastone liner 'allows less than 0.3%°F heat loss per hour." The Vaughn insulation appears to be considerably thicker than other brands, but other brands do not specify insulation thickness, but is probably 3/4-1." Cold water enters Vaughn heat pump at the combination drain valve and 3/4" cold water connection located near bottom of tank, while 3/4" connection for hot water is located on side of tank near top. Vaughn and Hubble have wider range of gallons, including 40, 50, 65, 80, 199 gallon sizes. Due to 2015 energy standard, it is likely the 119 gallon size (if installed in US) must be enrolled in 'demand response' program where local electric utility can cut off power to unit during periods of high usage. The Hubble and Vaughn heat pumps have additional heating mode that other brands do not have, called Super mode, that lets both the elements and heat pump work at same time, for maximum reheating of tank. Other brands are either-or ... either the elements are operating or the heat pump is operatimg. This is probably to conserve energy. Electric supply for Vaughn is 240 volt single-phase, with two generic 3800 watt elements. Digital display located on side of unit shows operating and service information. Unknown if unit has a duct for venting. None is specified, so my guess is duct kit is not available. According to Hubble manual, the unit has a wifi connection called a data logger that is supposedly monitored by Hubble (or somebody) for performance issues that can help with problems. Not sure where that stands with Vaughn, or exactly who is 'monitoring' your water heater, or what value it gives customer. Resources Vaughn Spec sheet Hubble spec sheet Vaughn heat pump dimensional illustrations Hubble heat pump manual Hubble maintenance, troubleshoot and parts Vaughn and Hubble heat pump warranty Vaughn demand response controller/ interfaces with utility company |
Considerations true for all types |
Location -must be free from corrosive elements in the atmosphere such as sulfur, fluorine, and chlorine ... found in aerosol sprays, detergents, bleaches, cleaning solvents, air fresheners, paint, and varnish removers, refrigerants, and many other commercial and household products. -must be free from excessive dust and lint that may affect efficiency of the unit. -heater should be located where tank or connection leakage will not damage structure. Ambient air temperature must be considered. -in Efficiency Mode the ambient air temperature must be above 45°F and below 109°F ... variable by brand -if ambient temperature falls outside the upper and lower range, then electrical elements can activate to meet hot water demand and heat pump might not operate. Cold temperatures mean less efficiency Heat pump water heaters are most useful in hot-or-warm climates. In cold climates, heat pump efficiency drops when back-up heat elements are used to heat very cold incomming water. During winter, the furnace is heating the air that heat pump uses to heat water. So you are heating water using the furnace, which is not efficient at all, and cancels estimated savings predicted by owning Heat Pump.. Attic/ High heat: Avoid exposing water heater to temperatures over 120°F Heat pump will revert to elements if heat is too high |
Transporting and moving Manuals do not specify, but instructions likely show on box. Keep unit upright is best plan. Heat pumps are very heavy, care must be taken not to transport so it puts pressure on TP valve, water outlets, or drain valve. If transporting or moving causes heat pump to tilt more than 45°, then the heat pump must stand upright for 24 hours to ensure refrigerant is back in place before applying power. Remember, upright is right. |
All
brands of heat pumps make noise. "Install where typical home appliance sound will not cause disturbance." 55 decibels is loud enough to interrupt normal conversation The sound level of background music, a typical classroom, or conversation at 3 feet is about 60 dB 70dB are considered annoying and 100 dB very loud. Rheem 49 dB Stieble 52-60 dB Bradford 55 dB AO Smith N/A (not available) Vaughn and Hubble N/A |
Must be hard-wired. Not plug-in |
All
brands require adequate incoming and outgoing air space 700-800 cubic feet is typical.... 10x10x7 room ... 2 louvered doors ... or 8" duct "Installation in a confined space will lead to higher power consumption if adequate ventilation is not provided." Except for Vaughn maybe, most hybrid models have optional 8" diameter duct system to bring in air supply and expel air that passes through the evaporator coil. Resources: Install recirculating pump Heat pump with storage tank Two heat pumps Two water heaters Mixing valve |
Duct Illustration from Rheem/ altered to scale with shading and wording added Air flow shown in illustration follows red arrows from left to right with the inlet air filter located on top of heater. -Depending on need, the Heat Pump can be installed with duct ... with just the inlet duct, or just outlet duct, or both inlet and outlet duct. Installing louvered doors is another option to increase air flow. All brands, except possibly Vaughn and Hubble, have a ducting kit. Rheem and Bradford White have duct kits for both incoming and outgoing air supply, allowing for installation inside enclosed space.... if ducting is installed continuously from outdoors to outdoors, it allows heat pump to operate separate from HVAC, and saves energy. The cost and inconvenience of ducting runs up the overall installation cost of heat pump, and will probably never pay back if unit requires extensive ductwork and remodeling, or axillary blower fan etc. The Rheem model has best overall duct system vs Bradford because Rheem air filter can be cleaned without removing duct. While Bradford White incoming duct must be removed to clean filter. Stieble duct kit is not specified. AO Smith has duct kit for outgoing air supply, but no resources that show ducting for incoming air. AO Smith also offers additional booster fan kit to go along with duct, that would probably work with any brand heater. Resource: Example Ducting manual Booster fan kit manual Install duct on HHPT tall Example duct installation tables |
Use
thru-wall fan if room size is smaller than 10' x 10' Hybrid heat pump water heater requires 10' x 10' room If you do not have that size room, then install thru-wall fan Running a fan to supply air to meet the needs of heat pump water heater adds energy cost, but saves energy if heat pump cannot get enough fresh air ... why? the heat pump loses efficiency with restricted air flow. Wires and amp or current switch must be inside enclosed box. Note that the amp switch must be installed on 1 wire in the circuit, or it will not activate. Larger image Buy: Thru-wall fans at Amazon Thru-wall fan at Amazon Current switch/ current transducer 6 x 6 enclosures Resource: Add a delay timer to the fan |
All heat pumps: Air filter is
cleaned each 6 months Remember the height of 80 gallon heat pump is around 6' tall, which means most folks need a ladder to clean air filter that is located on top of heater. Do not rely on electronic gadgetry to notify of maintenance... be alert and responsible. Avoid dusty, dirty, greasy environments The cleaner the environment, the less cleaning is needed. If filter is cleaned regularly, then the evaporator coil will not get dirty. Running unit with dirty filter or without filter will damage equipment and lessen expected energy savings. Air filter is located on incoming or inlet side of heater. Typical access requires removing 2 screws or some other simple mechanism. If 8" duct is used on inlet side, then duct might need to be temporarily removed to access filter. AO Smith filter on HPTU and FTPU product manuals give instructions for cleaning filter. Filter can be inspected and cleaned in place using vacuum or with wet cloth. HHPT tall has air filter on side, accessible by snapping out grille. Periodic inspection and cleaning with vacuum cleaner each 6 months will improve efficiency of all heat pumps. You can also remove and wash with water. Must be dry before reinstalling ... wet filter can cause damage to the condensing unit. Periodic replacement might be required. Do not use cleaning compounds or brushes on the filter or cloth, or risk damaging filter material. Bradford product manual gives instructions for cleaning filter. Rheem gives no instructions, instead the manual says the unit needs regular maintenance and you should 'schedule a service call.' A service call every 6 months completely skews cost-benefit of owning a heat pump vs ordinary electric water heater that requires almost no service. Stieble does not mention or show air filter in their manual, or show a filter in any parts diagrams, saying instead that the evaporator needs periodic cleaning, and to 'avoid greasy environment' ... which would certainly gum up the evaporator. Vaughn and Hubble. There is a filter as mentioned in Hubble manual, but there are no images available or instructions for accessing. There is a basic verbal instruction about cleaning filter in the Hubble manual. Step ladder is needed to clean filter 80 gallon heat pump is about 6' tall with filter located on top of unit. Buy: Cosco safety ladder Cosco heavy duty 23 lb Cosco aluminum 16.5 lb |
All brands
heat pump must be
installed level (plumb) to
ensure proper drainage of
the condensate tray located under the evaporator coil. All brands must have a floor drain to route flow of water safely away from causing damage to property. The water is just condensed moisture taken from surrounding room. If climate or location is arid, with little moisture in air, then condensate drain will produce little or no water. The condensate drain on heat pumps must be cleaned periodically. Floor drains typically mean sloped floor. Add shims (stainless fender washers with adhesive) ... or use a cementitious mixture ... under water heater to ensure it stays level. |
All brands of heat pump produce
condensation Heat pumps come with a plastic drain line that is connected to the condensate tray. The plastic condensate line needs to be kept clean to prevent water damage to home. If condensate line is blocked, the overflow will let water run down side of heater. How it works: Fan pulls air from room into evaporator Warm moist air passing through evaporator causes water to condensate on coils and drip down into condensate tray. Water empties out of tray into condensate drain line and flows to bottom of water heater. Condensate line should drop down side of tank and terminate at or above adequate floor drain. Some people use a tin can, or bucket and then dump bucket periodically. This could be a source of mold inside home. Don’t let water in bucket get higher than drain line. Use a pump to evacuate condensate water into household drain. If condensate drain is clogged, water will drip down side of water heater. Check and clean condensate drain lines periodically Remove condensate line, take outdoors, use wire to make sure ends are open, swing line around over head to clean tubing, and then rinse outdoors. Water inside tube is not clean and contains bacteria. Let soak in bleach. New condensate line can be installed periodically to offset problems Resource: Blocked condensate/ Rheem Clean condensate line Bradford White |
Clean evaporator coil once per
year? "Proper cleaning of the supplied, washable air filter should prevent evaporator from getting dirty." "However, should the evaporator become dirty, it must be cleaned to maintain performance of the heat pump" "The most effective way to clean the evaporator is to use a commercially available spray cleaner intended for cleaning air conditioner evaporators." Do not breathe these chemicals. Maintaining full output might require occasional professional cleaning of evaporator. . Resource: Cleaning evaporator coil on heat pump Evaporator may not be easy to access because of compressor, fan blade and housing. Undo screws and remove water heater cover. Remove air filter as needed. Carefully clean evaporator fins. You can use water and a soft brush. Tape a soft-bristle toothbrush to a stick. Never use acidic or alkaline cleaning agents. If evaporator has not been wet, then use compressed air to blow out dust. Do not expect detailed instructions or illustrations in any product manual. Ordinary electric water heater needs less maintenance than heat pump. Resource: Typical Water heater maintenance |
Research
says: Overall, heat pump ''succeeds in providing hot water for all scenarios tested and can maintain a high level of performance, even at low ambient temperatures.' Resources: Cost of operating heat-pump water heater/ html Gov laboratory evaluation of heat pumps 2011 (unknown who paid for research) Yes heat pumps work as promised, but.... claim of savings is tempered by purchase price, noise, need 10 x10 space for installation (or a duct kit), yearly maintenance, limited life of product, cost of repairs and parts, and other factors. Heat pump blows cold air into room, which lowers ambient room temperature and ... heat pump can work against itself. Works against HVAC ... using energy from HVAC to heat water. Best suited for warm climate where ambient air temperature is warm ... for example installing heat pump in unheated Florida garage would yield better result than installing inside home and expecting HVAC to heat your hot water while heat pump claims credit for energy savings. Coefficient of performance Coefficient of performance shown on right illustrates the general proportion of energy that comes from the ambient air temperature surrounding the heat pump. Using heat pump technology can save energy if the ambient temperature of air is supplied by natural outdoor temperatures (solar heating) and not from the HVAC. There are no numbers, from any study, that attempt to calculate the energy spent by HVAC, furnace etc to heat ambient air used by heat pump. But if the furnace is supplying the hot air that heat pump uses to heat water, then it disqualifies claims of savings from using a heat pump. It would be nice if the 'free market' included full and accurate disclosure instead of constantly running the puffery over us at 100 mph.. All Costs are energy, what is total cost of a heat pump? Total energy-cost equals cost of water heater, plus installation, plus expected repairs-and-parts, plus disposal-recycling cost, divided by years of tank life. These numbers are added to monthly energy cost to measure true energy cost & efficiency of a water heater. Government/industry efficiency numbers consider only energy cost per gallon of heated water ... and they assume all other costs will be the same no matter what type of heater is used ... which is not true, because the peripheral costs of ordinary electric heater are far less, even though the cost per gallon of hot water is more. Where's the electric meter that proves savings? If the overall reason we are using Heat Pumps is to save energy ... save the planet ... conserve resources ... all greenie weenie ... then.... -Where are the before and after meter readings from homes that saved so much money using Heat Pumps? -Put up the REAL world numbers ...add a small kilowatt hour meter to each water heater ... couldn't cost more than a bit on the retail end... Resource How to add electric meter to water heater |
Rebates Remember that a
government rebate
is you borrowing money from yourself to buy a product you wouldn't
ordinarily buy ... so the question becomes... if the numbers don't add
up without a rebate, why would you loan yourself money to buy it
anyway?
And more to the point, who is running your government to make a decision to offer rebates? It might be an effort to perform grand experiments in energy ... which is remotely plausible ... except who is compiling data for the experiment? The stockholders of companies selling the products? This applies to rooftop solar PV systems and Heat Pumps and a host of other big ticket items in 2019 that supposedly SAVE ENERGY ... go green they cry ... coal n oil are bad, puke ... ok, it's true ... except all costs are energy ... If the solar panels push a trickle of electrons (let's say 20 amps) into the system, not enough to run the 30 amp Heat Pump water heater more than an hour or two a day maybe, and the solar panels cost more to buy than the power they generate ... then how is that saving energy? The energy landscape is changing fast, as people demand a response to global warming ... so expect action after the crisis hits, whether that be massive increases in electric costs, or widespread flooding of oil refineries accompanied by plague of locust exacerbated by government corruption. The only way rebates make sense is to argue that all costs are NOT energy ... that costs are far inflated and what matters is you hurry up and buy a product so ... so ... you can feel better thinking you're doing your part?? For crying out loud, move into a trailer with 6 other people without hot water if you want to do your part, except the government would never award that trailer an energy star because it has single-pane windows, despite per capita numbers that could prove it is more efficient than where you live. My final conclusion If heat pumps are
the miracle cure for global
warming, conveniently consolidated into an expensive 300lb piece of
machinery,
taking up a huge space in your home, requiring maintenance and
cleaning, and noisily blowing cold air while using your HVAC to heat
water, then bacon can fly.
Exclusion would be heat pumps installed in unheated garage located in naturally warm climate ... but then if the climate is warm, why isn't the water being heated using solar instead of buying a colossal machine? Resources: 9 ways to save with water heater/ solar Heat-pumps-reduce-Carbon-Emissions-vs-gas-heaters.pdf |
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